tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434954756598017230.post3829789753854062313..comments2023-09-29T09:18:05.510+01:00Comments on Misery - a shadow priest blog: The problem with loot councilMerlothttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12268596977879215079noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434954756598017230.post-54573276827367487512010-03-05T00:47:18.880+00:002010-03-05T00:47:18.880+00:00I too used to be part of a loot council and we alw...I too used to be part of a loot council and we always awarded said loot to members who were obviously staying with the guild (anyone past initiate or higher) that the item was the biggest upgrade for. IMO this helps the raid group as a whole because a raid group can more easily deal with gear check with a level playing field of gear across the group.<br /><br /> Thats in the past as I am now in a guild as a member with a biased loot council. members of the loot council are steadily awarding themselves with upgrades that while minor for themselves are huge upgrades for non council members. This is leading to an elite cadre of 3 damage dealers spiking 9k dps and a larger majority of the raid barely scratching 5k. And they wonder why we're failing gear check fights.<br /><br /> They justify their judgements by saying the items are rewards for long membership but this is only hurting the raid group as a whole and they don't seem to consider it as bad. When I mentioned the short comings to their actions their response was to offer me dibbs on the next upgrade for myself after their council members didnt need it.....Needless to say I plan on finding a new guild shortly as this only confirmed my suspicions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434954756598017230.post-52450173022373619172010-02-19T19:16:01.935+00:002010-02-19T19:16:01.935+00:00Really nice article, very complementary to my own ...Really nice article, very complementary to my own recent article on problems with LC.<br /><br />In my last guild, which was also LC, bids were taken in raid chat. This allowed people to withdraw their bids when they saw what other people were upgrading...so in a sense, the LC was extended to the entire raid, at least in part. My current guild takes bids over private whisper, which I find quite frustrating.<br /><br />The problem with LC is that very few raiders (or raid leaders, or officers) are good managers. Subjective loot assignment (as opposed to objective...like EPGP) is partly about guild progress, and partly about keeping raiders happy, motivated, and team-spirited. These are management skills, and having bad managers run your LC is a recipe for disaster.<br /><br />The management in my current guild (including its LC, but going beyond it too) is so bad that I'm on the edge of a gquit, even though we're tied for server #2.Paolohttp://penancepriest.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434954756598017230.post-92144943855360535562010-02-18T16:32:11.043+00:002010-02-18T16:32:11.043+00:00I feel like loot council can't possibly have e...I feel like loot council can't possibly have enough spreadsheets in the world to make it "fair" and it will always be somewhat subjective. There will be hurt feelings even if it is "fair". Whereas nobody argues with numbers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3434954756598017230.post-37771972518263028042010-02-18T15:08:13.845+00:002010-02-18T15:08:13.845+00:00I kind of like the lack of transparency with loot ...I kind of like the lack of transparency with loot council. Pretty much the defining aspect of any loot system is someone is going to try and game it for their benefit. But if you're not entirely sure how it works, you can't do that very easily. I still support keeping detailed records, but not making them public, so you can determine if someone's gripe has merit or not. <br /><br />Then again, I raid mostly with people who don't care much about loot, and probably any system would work for us. A lack of transparency surely does hurt most guilds most of the time.Isanoreply@blogger.com